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Indians are Latest Global 'hate' Targets.
Posted by anigalla • 6/03/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: attacks on indians in australia, india, racial abuse, racism in australia
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come off it, i think you are full of hot air, read it properly www.theage.com.au/opinion/dont-believe-the-media-hype-racism-is-often-a-two...-
i already read that one...
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The one who wrote the au article.. Akash Arora seems a sensible person
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I have nothing against Indians but I feel that their education in universal languages like English should be improved to reach out towards various opportunities that the world has to offer.-
i honestly think that it would be more suitable for indians to learn mandarin or Cantonese to develop inter-asian ties and strengthen their economies
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The Chinese language has economic value, but the English language would help them connect to the world in general.
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yeah and no... what it means is that we are developing a world that only uses one language and while this is a good thing in a world that is being "globalised" i can only thing that we are destroying tradition for a homogeneous mix of everything
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This is my perspective, that the demise of certain cultures happen only because globalisation forces us to become more pragmatic towards the way things work in the world.
And that cultural and social mores, values hinder progress and growth. Even more so for the individual. Sometimes.
I believe traditional culture is important, in fact, I think culture a part of the huge diversity of the human spirit, however it should never hinder anything or anyone, to adapt and survive, live better in an ever changing world. -
well said
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Thank you !
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those are the lines with maturity.. cool
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Indians are pretty good at English, being educated in/through english all through our schooling
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conformism leads to greater advances...but kills diversity
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hahahaha i think the questions mentioned there are pointless and meaningless any other train bashing would not have been mentioned in international media... the only reason it does is because it involves "racism" but that was probably not the case
do you know the population of melbourne?
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australia, i have lived in melbourne and sydney and now live in brisbane and i can tell you first hand how things are ... i have used all those forms of transport
i am already bilingual how many languages do you want me to know? -
and i have read all the articles involved
thank you -
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what is the point of your articles? Do you want to beg for peace?
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hahaha..
from which country you are? why don't you learn hindi to go and do
business with India they are billions..Big Market.. don't comment
without reading.. tq
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bilingual? i can speak five but still less.. how many languages you know is not important.. i just replied it when you are trying to give your useless advice to Indians to learn cantonese..
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how is that useless... a lot of people who learn english as their first language often learn mandarin, cantonese and spanish as a second language... so why not?
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i know people learn german, french, spanish etc., but none went for cantonese or mandarin..
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who is none?
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how can you make such unfounded statements?
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if train issue is not an issue, then why 5 more incidents in 30days ??
Aussies are becoming jobless in this economic crisis or what? they are worried at the growth of Indians in their country or what?-
what are you arguing "at" me for? it happens all the time you will just never hear about all white people who get beaten up because you can't label it...
i work for an indian and he is a brilliant guy -
Ha!! where are you getting this information from???
i think you are being prejudice against australians as a whole just because you assimilate with those involved.
where were you when there were the cronulla riots, where were you when there was raciscm against the greeks, where were you when there was rascism against palestinians / jews / the italians not to mention the irish the scots the chinese not to mention all the other asians
they all went through phases of unrest -
what are you trying to tell here? Because Greeks etc., went through those phases, now you are saying this is India's turn to go through that phase or what? why should we? we didn't do it to anyone, and we won't allow others do it to us.. What will you say if i ask your race to go through that phase along with us now? will you accept?
read the heading "Indians are the LATEST global hate targets" i said.. i am talking about latest, present day.. not digging the history in which we are not involved any side, whether as a culprit or as a victim.. -
some incidents do take place.. you cannot blame an entire country for stray racist violence's..
Do Indians deserve to be subject to racist discrimination? No.. does anyone deserve to be subjected to racial discrimination? NO..
why should we? we didn't do it to anyone, and we won't allow others do it to us.. What will you say if i ask your race to go through that phase along with us now? will you accept?
That must be one of the silliest arguments ever.. India is no land of saints and no one else.. There is more discrimination in India than anywhere else.. others just have one category, in India there are a hundred ways you can discriminate people.. but does that reflect on the entire Indian population? Of course not.. why can't you see its the same in Australia or wherever? -
Generally they are brilliant, that is why all the world class
countries need them when they are making money.. when they are in
crisis, those same countries will start throwing them out from their
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my doubt is.. why not all these years, this kind of chain of attacks
happened in Australia? why suddenly now? is it unemployment rate of
local Aussies has grown up or what? So, indirectly trying to threaten
the foreigners and make them to leave the country so that locals can
get into those jobs?
It is just a doubt. Because though we know SA, Australia of this
discrimination level higher compared to the other countries, in
Australia this is the first time i have seen this chain of incidents..
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Xenophobia is a fact of life. Don't take it personally because, in truth, most racism is not personal.
I know that sounds silly, but it is true. Most racism is based on a stereotype that has nothing to do with the individual people being targeted...I have seen black-on-black racism, the people involved being from other tribes or nations. Rather than focus on a particular race (which, by itself, can be perceived as racist due to ignoring other embattled peoples) why not focus on the evil of prejudice itself, in all of its pernicious forms?
I'm white. But I am also female and over 60, both of which put me in a position to be targeted for bias. I am married to a non-white man, which leaves me open to racism. My husband is Indian but his family left India several generations ago; but he was born and raised in a tight-knit Indian community. And we are in South Africa, the country that raised racism to governmental fiat.
Discrimination is wrong. But objecting to discrimination only when it affects you and others of your kind (whether your kind is gay, black, female, old, or something else, like being Indian or American) isn't exactly enlightened, either.-
reasonable statements.. so what do you suggest SweetViolet?
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While I agree with most of the content that this post has, I believe that the most prudent reaction towards discrimination lies within the individual's initiative to reach out to people in a civil way and prove them wrong on their own terms.
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I suggest that you do what my grandparents so often advised me: clean your own house first.
Examine yourself and your attitudes for bias and root them out because until you do, you have no moral or ethical standing to complain when someone behaves towards you in a similar manner. That means that if you treat the women in your life as anything less than equals, if you believe them to be anything less than equal, you are committing the same evil against which you complain.
Only when you are free of such biased beliefs and behaviours on your own part do you have the right to be indignant when you are the target of someone else's bias.
While you are working to root the evil of bias out of your own heart, you can work peacefully towards the elimination of bias and discrimination...racism, sexism, ageism, anti-gay, etc....by writing letters and working hand-in-hand with organizations dedicated to the elimination of bias.
Violence is never the answer and being confrontational and loudly indignant just incites violence, not only in the opposition but among those of like mind.
Calm down. Look around you and find others...not Indians...who also suffer from discrimination and see what they are doing to work towards a peaceful remedy. Help them. Learn. Remember Gandhi. And report incidents to the authorities when they happen and follow up regularly to make sure the cops don't just sweep it under the rug.
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""a single unpleasant incident "".. ?? where in this world you are
living? please read all the news related to the last 30days incidents
in Australia, if you think you can't find it, just watch the videos i
gave in the post..
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This is sooooo untrue. This seems like your view not the global view. In my country all indians are teated well without any discrimination-
Dear Selvia.. can you tell me what is your country?
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In this country, South Africa, Indians are considered among the "previously disadvantaged" and get preference over whites in hiring and other Affirmative Actions.
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we don't need reservations, it will be enough if we have equal rights and dignity. we can make miracles. All we want is "LIVE AND LET THE OTHERS LIVE" policy.. no one is greater.. all are same.. that is all we want.
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Who said anything about reservations?
You claimed Indians are global hate targets. I am telling you that in South Africa, they are not, they are actually among the politically advantaged. -
Who said anything about reservations?
You claimed Indians are global hate targets. I am telling you that in South Africa, they are not, they are actually among the politically advantaged. -
I am saying the same thing too, we don't need any additional advantages.. So, you are telling us that there are no attacks on Indians in south Africa? we all know south Africa is the most racist.. until recent years, they were banned to play international cricket because of this reason only..
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anigalla,
you seem to be wording your comments on here, as if the blame is ours.
You are taking an attacking stance, and I'm not sure if that's your intention, but it doesn't make for friendly discussion.-
JohnnyDunMind..
No such thing, we only will know it when our nationals, our brothers and sisters are the victims.. as long as we stand on the shore, we talk differently.. Now i am at the side of victims, and few others here are backing the culprits.. -
sorry, i dont quite understand.
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he is talking about the "one person" who beat up "an indian" person on a train
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the one who has beaten in the train is a very very normal criminal, but the real criminals are the one who are supporting it. the people, the media..
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the media is not supporting such a thing
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what media is supporting racial violence? please enlighten us
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The beautiful and multi racial country Malaysia.
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My impression is that Asian Chinese living in Malaysia are treated as second class citizens where their university places are given to native as priority regardless the score difference.
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:O -- your comments are so unfounded
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my comments are not baseless my dear SIRLMO,
Selvia should know that.. Let me wait for her response to understand where i am wrong, and what are the advantages that she is getting..
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i don't know about other countries. In Sri Lanka i assure you there is nothing like that!!
But in early 90's Sri Lankan people were angry about indian government supporting LTTE terrorist but that's long time ago, today Sri Lanka is in a new era and India is good neighbor & a friend in Asia. -
ramith, you were angry against India for supporting LTTE? and LTTE was angry against Indians for sending IPKF to Srilanka to support you.. At the end LTTE killed Ex-Prime Minister RAJIV GANDHI for that.. cool.. One country Srilanka, but some times Simhalees are angry at India and some times Tamils.. right? All this because of Srilanka's internal problem right?
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yes because of there behavour with its neighbours....inida is also a best country in this world because of its culture
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thank you Qaisar
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On the one hand you tell me that you don't want "reservations," you want equal opportunity only, but now you are saying that unless Selvia has reservations and advantages, she isn't as well treated as she thinks she is.
Sorry, bub, but you can't have it both ways.
Ya know, sometimes violence erupts between two people that has nothing to do with race, even though they are of different races. Sometimes just one racist arsehole pulls a stunt that has absolutely no implications beyond him being a jerk. But media needs something with the "GASP!" factor to get attention and this kind of thing plays right into their hands.
I'm not a Christian, but Jesus was right when he said "turn the other cheek." Don't compound a violent act by stirring up violent sentiment in yourself and others. You are contradicting yourself in this thread...calm down, take a deep breath, and read why the people on this thread are not jumping up and down and screaming for the head of the guy on the train. They think you are overwrought and extrapolating a single unpleasant incident into a global catastrophe. It's not working to your advantage here.-
""forget about reservations, first of all you don't have equal rights at all..""
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""a single unpleasant incident "".. ?? where in this world you are living? please read all the news related to the last 30days incidents in Australia, if you think you can't find it, just watch the videos i gave in the post..
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It is impossible to reason with a fanatic or an hysteric.
When you calm down and can see that this is not a GLOBAL phenomenon and that yours is not the first minority group to suffer discrimination, maybe you'll be able to think clearly and embark on a plan to do some good. Until then, you are merely howling in the wind and potentially stirring up more violence. NOT a good way to deal with this kind of thing, making it bigger than it is. A few incidents of violence in Australia do not a global phenomenon make. -
don't tell Indians that they have to go through the sufferings just because some one else had gone through years before.. if you read my heading you can find "LATEST" word there.. If you think who ever argue with you are fanatics or Hysterics, then i think you need a psychologist..
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I believe that this discussion should be deleted before things get uglier.
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Unfortunately, there is a jargon called "freedom to slander" in this democratic world.
Every living being with a vocal cord can have an opinion and fart along with it.
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actually it is not getting uglier but it is diverting from the actual topic.. One wants to tell her ladies problems on a racism post and one wants to talk about history while the others talking about the present.
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As an Australian, I'll tell you straight, it's not true at all.
It's media garbage and if you are prepared to believe all the media garbage it is very unfortunate.
There are idiots everywhere, and yes Australia has some but you will find Australians as a rule have no issues with Indians... as for hating the English cricket team, the Sprinboks rugby or the Italian soccer team ( hey let's fall over) and definitely the American swim team ;-P well that's another story-
You sound great Guitarist.. If it goes that way, that will be wonderful. Actually i was just about to stop continuing this thread as i learnt that Australian Prime Minister has set up a special force to handle these issues separately until this heat goes down.. that is a very good step and we will wait for the results, hopefully good and peaceful.. thank you for your comment.
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My human resource experience tells me to avoid Indians. The main problem is that Indians in general have good education background/titles/diplomas but little work experience. However, they do not do too well with interpersonal relationship at various environment or admit that he or she was perfect.
I have an Indian interviewee threatening me that if I do not hire him, I will potentially lose the greatest intellect on earth. Then he got increasingly upset demanding me to see his resume etc. The interview ended in a conclusion that my English was not as good as this interviewee while I had no ideas what he was trying to say to me...
It is easy to blame everything on racism. The funny thing is that without caucasian or other races around, Indians tend to discriminate each other on the basis of "class" origin of its own people anyway.
One of my colleagues is an Indian Ophthalmologist who constantly wanted to remind me that he was originally a prince. Some of the Indian surnames often failed to impress him as well... -
Talking about stereotyping a group based on limited personal experience (and don't take that personally, your experience is limited to your hr exposure in your environment) and hearsay? -
@roentarre you want me to generalize the entire Caucasian population on what little I have seen of O Reilly of the factor and say all Caucasians are ignorant, pompous idiots?
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Errrrr,
What are you two talking about?
I am now scared...
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@Anigalla leave this it is enough. Why don't you start a new discussion on the causes of Indian heading towards foreign countries for degrees? Is it for lack of educational institutions in India or due to the effect of overdoses of Affirmative actions in India or in India merit is not honored? or there is too much politics in Indian educational institutions? Or every other day a V. P. Singh or Arjun Singh come up with new quotas or the Affirmative action gets renewed after every 10 years or not a single person was decategorised from affirmative actions despite 60 years quota raj? Or should we believe that all those pursuing for foreign degrees are well off and dont care about existing infrastructure?
Have an in depth analysis of these factors and discuss on this aspect. We just cannot blame Australia when trains are torched here for nothing (Bihar Incident or Punjab incident) Last year Gujjar in Rajasthan cleared train track and cooked feast on the space. What happened in Vienna had a repercussion in India and simple or innocent people suffered as trains were torched, blocked, or canceled for nonsense protests. The fact is that no one was punished for leading all these demos.
We just cannot leave all these incidents only to blame a country. Leave the Australians for sometime as whether they are racist or whether they as a country are responsible for the attacks is a matter of investigation. let's discuss about the problems of our country. (of course i am an Indian)
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Unfortunately it is not just Indians, but a global problem that affects many
and is being fueled by poverty, bigotry, religiosity, etc.
www.amnesty.org/
And what of the racism and hatred within each country against it's own citizens?
www.hrw.org/en/search/apachesolr_search/India-
@jafabrit you have quoted a right point. of course it is a global phenomenon and everyone of every country is facing the problem. In India there was lot of talk and protests on the Australian Issue. Media only raked moolahs as ad revenue and they over focused the small issue. what were the Indian students were doing till that day before releasing racial comments and a NO no to Australia university? It is really a question as we have a right to know what was the Indian administration was doing if it was a problem.
The most hated thing is that in every country there are racial problems as partiality or racial attack goes on unabated. In India one can find such incidents everyday. Anyway, we had better focus on the future like what should be done to lock the chances of recurrence of such heinous crimes.
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@rantaro oh come on. This is again a big generalization and unfounded statement. How come you say that Indians lack experience? Unless one works and gets a work, how come one will come to gain work experience? One person said so and so to you and you came to believe that he or she represented India. this is baseless.
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That is how it starts yes, the root of prejudice, generalizing and promoting a negative stereotype against a whole group that has no basis in fact other than limited personal experience.
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"Our President is a lady, Our ruling party's president is a lady.. like this there are so many examples.. but any way, i am not willing to divert the topic here to GENDER trouble.. Here we are talking about racism, if you want to talk about your ladies problem, please go and find some other post where you can write pages of women's sufferings.."
@anigalla Oh come on friend. before being president no one knew the lady who is known as Pratibha (lacklustre puppet) Sonia Gandhi only represents a rubbish clan of India who shares a common surname of someone great. Now you will say that our Lok Sabha speaker is a woman. this is rubbish. All these people rose for some patronage at the expense of someone brilliant. It is good that women are at the helms of affair but not that brilliant. Indian president is a puppet and is elected when a party wishes. So i don't think any brilliance is required. Many average has come to become president in India. This is one of the rubbish things of India and you should not highlight this as an achievement.
This is racial discrimination of India and who knows if for this reason people are heading towards foreign countries for degrees.
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@SUDAM08..
most of your statements are true and acceptable.. but at the same time we also need to think about the success of many women from India. Of course everyone needs a chance and if they got it somehow, all we have to see is whether they proved themselves are not, and whether they are in a position to lead the others or not..
Medha Patkar, mayawati, mamatha benerjee, jaya lalitha, renuka chowdary, sushma swaraj, sheela deekshit all these women how they become great leaders? without the support from the society? though indian society leans towards male, but still india is far better than many other countries, this society accepts woman to be on top and it will support. that is what my intention to explain @SWEETVIOLET in 2 lines.. Like you said, some are brought in to the position for various political reasons, but some they have earned on their own.. here i just mentioned about few politicians, but there are many successful women writers, actors, social movement leaders, CEOs, etc., in various fields.. can all this thing happens just like that? without a supporting society and families?
Like i said, we can sit and talk on that issue for hours but the purpose of the post will be redirected from the "attacks on Indians globally" to "Women and her Position in the Indian Society". that is the reason why, i do not want to discuss about that topic in this post here.. coming to the new post on "Indians leaving India for Higher Education", we will start it soon..
thank you very much to everyone for all your comments and sharing your valuable ideas..
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Indians are Latest Global 'hate' Targets.
I'm Canadian and my response to this title is - not true!-
That's only cause your the butt of every american joke there is. =D
As South Park would put it. Blame Canada! Blame Canada! -
@xight
I've never seen the show to which you refer. I rarely watch the tube and don't even know if we get that program up here.
Setting that aside, I believe Americans probably need all the laughter and goodwill they can get. They just came to their senses and elected Obama and Biden, after being responsible for electing Bush and Cheney, liars and war criminals and suffering 8 years of shame, war and incompetency that led to economic collapse.
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achoo -
I only dislike when I'm connected to one with a thick accent, so think I can't understand their English, when I call a customer support line.-
recent surveys show that people call up customer support to get problems solved with specific products and services...to have pleasant and interesting conversations they call up friends.
As long as somebody can solve the problem...you should be happy.
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I suggest Indian students should stay back and study in Indian universities and then go on to work in India to improve the local economy.
The universities that they go to are typically second and third rung ones. They end up learning very little there. They would be better off going to Indian universities that have better education standards anyway. -
@anigalla.. you are Indian? am from India too.. what would be your take on the several deaths of the foreigners in India? no issues with this disc.. everyone has their own opinions and point to put across. You my friend, no neg feelings here with you too.. am just asking you :-) -
@anigalla.. you are Indian? am from India too.. what would be your take on the several deaths of the foreigners in India? no issues with this disc.. everyone has their own opinions and point to put across. You my friend, no neg feelings here with you too.. am just asking you :-)
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Any kind of violence is not my interest unless it is some action movie that i am watching.. Deaths of foreigners in India, there are.. but every case is separate and there is no one common motive behind it, one on a lady for physical pleasure and one due to the differences in the very high posh cultured group, etc., like this.. i couldn't see a common ground that we in India attack US citizens if possible, or UK citizens if possible or Pakistani's if possible..
Did you find any common hatred like because of white skin or because of Christianity or Jewish or Islamic foreigner? i don't think so we have that problem in India..
But what was going on for the last 1 month in Australia is simple and clearly visible.. "IF YOU ARE AN INDIAN, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU WILL BE ATTACKED SEVERELY" .. This is what i am talking about.. Why Indian?-
Because they are a convenient and recognizable target to scapegoat, for those who want to lash out, for bigots, racists. during the 70's in London there was "paki" bashing and because there was a resentment to a mass immigration from former colonies, people were somewhat indifferent. I think many times it is seen as an isolated problem instituted by bigots, the disenfranchised youth, and the responsibility of minorities to deal with, not as a societal problem in general. Just my take on it.
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I will love Killing Indians, one in the morning and one before bedtime.
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I'll Never trust Indians. For them, all things/problem can only be settled by force, just like their films(everyone is wrong, they we're right).
If they think they are good enough, why the INDIANS country is still far left behind? And why there's a lot of Indians searching for a job in foreign country?
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"If they think they are good enough, why the INDIANS country is still far left behind? And why there's a lot of Indians searching for a job in foreign country?"
I think you are still reading India that was 200 years ago.
India is a country of billion people. If USA have this much population. It could have burst long time because of the Global meltdown. I can say there is no top company in the world without Indian techie working there.
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you should know how does it sounds like.. No need to ask us, if you are wise enough you know the answer too.. for me it didn't sound GOOD or it didn't sound BAD, if i say the how i felt may be you'll get hurt..
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so.. what is your finding? crow or dove?
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That would be a futile exercise ...
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If the caucasians didn't kill ze Indians, ze Indians would kill each other.
I think anigalla as Indians we should try to look at ourselves first, before pointing fingers towards other people. It is always easy to point fingers and accuse someone, but its more difficult to see your own follies and change them. Can you honestly say that there is no racism in India? Why, I hear the north Indians in Delhi making fun of South Indians all the time. Or in college. Or in the work place. Infact it is the general tendency of Indians to "revere" the white skin. To justify this let me point you out to the numerous Fairness skin ads, and the prevalence of fair skinned (often mixed race) actors in the Indian film industry and the Modelling agencies. Again, when a white skin tourist comes to India, he gets to feel special, because everyone keeps staring at him/her, and go out of their way to accomodate their demands. If you're a foreigner or a guy with white skin India, accept it, it opens doors for you. Then why complain about Indians in Australia? Infact I don't think it has anything to do with racism at all. Most of the Indians in the corporate sector are so obnoxious, I wouldn't mind blowing them off myself.
We need to get rid of our own demons before we can tell the Aussies to mind theirs.-
You Don't need to know "how a Naga looks, or how a Manipuri looks?" as long as you are not going to kill them on the roads due to hatred. If you are killing someone, then you should know whom you are killing, whom you are punishing.. But not killing a Sikh thinking that a Muslim..
Anything we talk here reflects to the respective guys who are responsible.. It is a general statement, It doesn't mean that all the Americans doesn't know the difference between a Sikh and Muslim, and it doesn't mean that all the Australians are absolute racists.
This is just voicing out against those who are doing this (whatever country they are from) in support of my fellow victims whom i consider as my brothers and sisters.. But here, there are many statements people wrote against Indians (in this post itself), some said "Indians can't speak English, and some said some other thing". I am not asking for a helping hand from my fellow Indians to offer your voice along with me to reply those lines..
but unfortunately we don't object those lies, those false statements, but like in a "CRAB STORY", we pull the legs among ourselves giving a feast of entertainment to others..
"the world doesn't revolve around India.." If you are not in India, thank god you are not in India, it is better to not to have gentlemen like you in my country..
One last sentence, to whoever trying to give a lecture here by saying "Correcting ourselves, Cleaning our Backyard" .. Every Individual, Every family, Every Country have those problems. No One is exception.. those who are lecturing here, my question to all of you..
"you and your brother are fighting in your house or arguing each other, then your neighbor came with a knife to kill you, what will you expect from your brother? Give a gun to the neighbor, or tell the neighbor that ''we are fighting each other now, can you go and kill my youngest brother sleeping inside?''
Is this what you all meant by "CLEANING OUR OWN BACKYARD??"
SHOW ME A COUNTRY WHICH DOESN'T NEED CLEANING?
SHOW ME A FAMILY WHICH DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK BACK AT ITSELF?
SHOW ME AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK INTO HIS PAST?
NOBODY IS PERFECT, BUT WHEN IT COMES SOMETHING BETWEEN YOUR COUNTRY AND OTHER COUNTRY, OR BETWEEN YOUR FELLOW CITIZEN AND A FOREIGNER, TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, OR YOUR FELLOW CITIZEN AS LONG AS THE CAUSE NEEDS ATTENTION.
I WOULDN'T BE SAYING THESE WORDS IF MY FELLOW CITIZEN IS A TERRORIST WHO PUT A BOMB IN AUSTRALIA/UK/US, AND FOR THAT SOMEONE KILLED HIM.. WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE ATTACKS ON VERY VERY COMMON PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT..
when 5 attacks happened against Indians in Australia in a period of 30days, there is nothing wrong to highlight it to the responsible authorities about the seriousness of the problem.. If thousands didn't march on the roads of Melbourne, If the print and online media didn't focus or address the problem internationally, i bet that there will not be any special force introduced to stop those attacks.. If we all keep quiet, 5 more attacks might have been recorded by now.. we did peacefully and we expressed our feelings on the facts.. there is nothing that we said something that it didn't happen against Indians.. Of course, there is a bit of more sarcasm towards the end of the post, but no one need to shrug their shoulders as long as they know the difference between a Sikh and Muslim, and no one need to bother about those lines as long as they are not going to kill a Sikh on the road thinking that he is a Muslim..
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I shall take a quote from your blog post:
"Oh! God!! teach these americans some geography and socialogy.. Political Science, any way they can never pass in that subject.. Economics, If they know that why we have this Global recession? Science.. too much of knowledge in science pushing them towards lesbianity and Homosexsuality and extreme torturing towards their War prisoners.."
First of all you spelled sociology wrong, but that's not the point. What you are doing here is stereotyping Americans. You think every American is that ignorant about Geography, Sociology, Economics or Political Science. So in retrospect I don't think the "racist" Aussies are any different from you in stereotyping all Indians as obnoxious geeks with a hideous accent. Third, your contention that the Global Economic recession is due to the American's ignorance of Economics is laughable. And fourth, what the hell has "too much of science" got to do with homosexuality or lesbianism? Your rhetoric reeks of half-baked logic, gross ignorance, and homophobia.
"Some US genius guys don't even know the difference between a Sikh and Muslim"
Do you as an Indian know about all the tribes and cultures within India itself? Do you know how a Naga looks, or how a Manipuri looks? Can you tell them apart if you saw the two of them? Do you claim to know everything about people from Leh or Ladakh, or about the Malanese people? Or even can you tell a Bengali and a Oriya from each other just by looking at them? Stop being so self-important. The world doesn't revolve round you, or round Indians for that matter.-
very sensible post..
discrimination is very prevalent in India so we can not claim the moral highground here.. Maybe Doson can clarify if he ever experienced this, but even today, most people I see make fun of the North eastern Indians by labeling them Chinkis for their Mongoloid appearance.. it is as if they aren't even Indians..
and the North Indians till this day, group most south Indians and call them Madrassis and poke fun at their culture/eating habits etc.
anigalla is just trying to be sensationalist and is still blocked in a third world mentality..
the world doesn't revolve around India.. -
You Don't need to know "how a Naga looks, or how a Manipuri looks?" as long as you are not going to kill them on the roads due to hatred. If you are killing someone, then you should know whom you are killing, whom you are punishing.. But not killing a Sikh thinking that a Muslim..
Anything we talk here reflects to the respective guys who are responsible.. It is a general statement, It doesn't mean that all the Americans doesn't know the difference between a Sikh and Muslim, and it doesn't mean that all the Australians are absolute racists.
This is just voicing out against those who are doing this (whatever country they are from) in support of my fellow victims whom i consider as my brothers and sisters.. But here, there are many statements people wrote against Indians (in this post itself), some said "Indians can't speak English, and some said some other thing". I am not asking for a helping hand from my fellow Indians to offer your voice along with me to reply those lines..
but unfortunately we don't object those lies, those false statements, but like in a "CRAB STORY", we pull the legs among ourselves giving a feast of entertainment to others..
"the world doesn't revolve around India.." If you are not in India, thank god you are not in India, it is better to not to have gentlemen like you in my country..
One last sentence, to whoever trying to give a lecture here by saying "Correcting ourselves, Cleaning our Backyard" .. Every Individual, Every family, Every Country have those problems. No One is exception.. those who are lecturing here, my question to all of you..
"you and your brother are fighting in your house or arguing each other, then your neighbor came with a knife to kill you, what will you expect from your brother? Give a gun to the neighbor, or tell the neighbor that ''we are fighting each other now, can you go and kill my youngest brother sleeping inside?''
Is this what you all meant by "CLEANING OUR OWN BACKYARD??"
SHOW ME A COUNTRY WHICH DOESN'T NEED CLEANING?
SHOW ME A FAMILY WHICH DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK BACK AT ITSELF?
SHOW ME AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK INTO HIS PAST?
NOBODY IS PERFECT, BUT WHEN IT COMES SOMETHING BETWEEN YOUR COUNTRY AND OTHER COUNTRY, OR BETWEEN YOUR FELLOW CITIZEN AND A FOREIGNER, TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, OR YOUR FELLOW CITIZEN AS LONG AS THE CAUSE NEEDS ATTENTION.
I WOULDN'T BE SAYING THESE WORDS IF MY FELLOW CITIZEN IS A TERRORIST WHO PUT A BOMB IN AUSTRALIA/UK/US, AND FOR THAT SOMEONE KILLED HIM.. WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE ATTACKS ON VERY VERY COMMON PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT..
when 5 attacks happened against Indians in Australia in a period of 30days, there is nothing wrong to highlight it to the responsible authorities about the seriousness of the problem.. If thousands didn't march on the roads of Melbourne, If the print and online media didn't focus or address the problem internationally, i bet that there will not be any special force introduced to stop those attacks.. If we all keep quiet, 5 more attacks might have been recorded by now.. we did peacefully and we expressed our feelings on the facts.. there is nothing that we said something that it didn't happen against Indians.. Of course, there is a bit of more sarcasm towards the end of the post, but no one need to shrug their shoulders as long as they know the difference between a Sikh and Muslim, and no one need to bother about those lines as long as they are not going to kill a Sikh on the road thinking that he is a Muslim.. -
oh yeah dsriharsha
glad at least I'm nearby North East.. most of the people out here in WB knows I'm from NE so there's less problem with me although sometimes some little kids speak to me in chinese(indian chinese) which I don't understand & even they don't know what they are speakin of..
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btw, thanks for the correction in the spelling of sociology. typo err.
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1447 attacks on Indians in Australia in year 2008-2009. This is a reported by Melbourne Police chief.
I think this is not a small thing to be left over.
“We need to respond with more than spin,” Universities Australia spokesman Daryl Le Grew said. “We need to acknowledge there’s a problem.”-
Your comment is an insult to Human rights and dignity
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unfortunately it is the way happens in all communities
its no more insulting than real life -
If someone did that to your near and dear one. Will you just say like that and live on?
Yes It's easy to say to other. -
This is not about a few odd incident. It is about 1447 racial attacks in 2008-2009
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Guys.. don't scold Kamruddin
this is Malaysian style of blog marketing.. Kamruddin, didn't you find any normal post which is not discussing something seriously?
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I repeat This is not about a few odd incident. It is about 1447 racial attacks on Indians in Australia in 2008-2009
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so then what about the attacks on all the others?
its only when you shed light on a particular group does it look like racism but it doesn't stop it from being "an attack"
I think that "1447 attacks" on indians has been mistaken for "1447 racial attacks" since the recent media attention
the intent is far different -
Why they were attacked?
And didn't you hear what the Australian University spokesman has said?
Instead of condemning you are defending it
What a world! -
i am not defending it at all
what i oppose is the liberal use of the term racist and the idea that indians are being targeted, specifically. -
It's totally racist. Those people attacking on public train will not or cannot do like that to an Australian.
And so sad nobody come to say anything about it.
Let's see what will be the charges against those people when they are caught. -
excuse me??
it happens to people all the time,
I have seen an australian beaten up at a train station... it happens
you think its racist only because you want to think so -
I think you seem to know those criminals.
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i think you believe information too easily without consulting those who are more likely to know...
its a bit like talking to a czech labourer about the latest fashion in japan
he can make all the assumptions and conclusions that he wants from whats on the internet but at the end of the day only the japanese are really going to know what the latest fashion is
i don't know these criminals.. but i am australian and i know what it is like and i am telling you are wrong and that you are being a bigot
need to know what a bigot is ???
here is the definition
www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1CHMB_en-GBAU306AU306&ei=FwUpSumUGsSLk... -
Now you are trying to become my English teacher.
I know you are an Australian and like you your govt will also defend those criminals. -
We don't beat our guest. It was racially motivate and also knowing that Indians can't do anything in Australia.
Glad to know that there are people who like to cover up that there is no racist people in Australia. -
ha!!!
don't put words in my mouth
infact you will realise that in my earlier comments i imply that there are many racists everywhere
how many time do i have to reiterate this
what you are doing is making something worse than it is by adding terms such as "racist" that have such negative implications.
you mustn't believe everything you hear while there is truth... the person who said it and wrote it was not there and can't account for everything... and you can't spoon feed back to me expecting me to take some information that has been interpreted and rewritten several times. -
People here worry so much if we use "RACIST" term so liberally, but the same people not at all worried, bothered, concerned if only people of one certain country were being attacked repeatedly..
Then why can't we use the word? If they have so concern about being called as a "RACIST", then they must take necessary steps by doing which they won't be branded again with the term "RACIST"..
But unfortunately, they will never realize that they are not looking at the cause "WHY?" they are being called with that term, but they are only concerned about "WHAT?" others are saying to them..
The day they can start thinking "WHY?" instead of "WHAT?" things will be better, until then they are "RACISTS", because "WHAT?" we say comes only after "WHY?" certain things happened repeatedly..
I THINK THIS EXPLANATION CAN BE CONSIDERED AS SPOON FEEDING TO SOMEONE WHO IS NOT MATURED ENOUGH TO THINK REASONABLY. -
what I have said is reasonable
just because you don't agree doesn't deem it unreasonable
labeling is the last thing you want to do to anyone, don't fall into the habit of generalising people as it then reflects badly on you -
At least let us LABEL.. Because we can't beat people unnecessarily.. Only those who are "RACISTS", they will know that we are watching them.. If you are not one of them.. That is Great.. You don't need to worry then.. You can have a goodnight sleep.. Because this term "RACIST" is not applicable to you if you are not someone beating foreigners.. Btw, it is not just the criminal, but those who support the criminals are also comes under the rule of law.. Our LAW says that, but we don't know yours.. Have a Good Day..
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After murdering so much aborigines. It's hard for me to level Australians as civilize society. It's true It's hard to kick off old habit and heredity easily.
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i'm sorry after all those thumbs and fingers being removed from the workers during the building of the taj mahal, i can hardly see that i would feel safe in india.
Old habits die hard -
Yes, in that too (taj mahal issue) Indians are the victims. Those Muslim rulers are not Indians and we don't and we won't consider them as Indians.. they are outsiders like Britishers.. Like i said, when those western have good economy, use Indians and make money, and when their situation is bad, first thing to look after is to stop Indian talent to come to their country and remove existing talent from the companies.
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If there was a fight between a Hindu and a Muslim, and due that few hindus and few Muslims fought in India ( of course a hindu's brothers, sisters and relatives will be hindus mostly.. and these are the people will come in support of him if he has problems, and the same reasoning applicable for a muslim)..
So, when they fought over, how come the western media can so liberally use a word called "COMMUNAL RIOTS IN INDIA" ??? why can't the media can think that this is a fight between few people or few individuals, It is not a fight of two religions ??
If they can use the word "COMMUNAL RIOTS IN INDIA !!" so liberally, now why they can not accept if we use the word "RACIST ??"
It is not just media, it is applicable for whoever can use the term "COMMUNAL" about India or anywhere in the world, this "RACIST" is not so different in the way it can be used.. -
@weblogian
glad to see there is some one with matching ideas.. It is not just the ideas, but the willingness to put those things into the words here in support of Indians.. and thank you for the support while i was not around here..
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From what i've heard, a lot of the aboriginals that are left are savages. They're drunk or sniffing petrol a lot of the time, and robbing stores.
Obviously I respect that their culture was destroyed, and their people massacred, but it still surprised me. -
alright this discussion is become one of the most stupid arguments i have ever had...
it seems that there are a lot of people who can't distinguish "what is" from "what should be"
and better yet they can't distinguish the differences between fact and what is said in the media-
Then can we send a link for BIGOT ??
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You see this is why I blog in the first place, granted the comments that weren't as smart as they should have been, but there are very intelligent people here, having debates through and through, ill share my opinion in one moment lol -
you are welcomed HASTE, we would be glad to hear from you whatever your opinion is.. this is a place with the freedom of expression, and i think none of the members participated here didn't go beyond certain limit in the name of exchanging words. All are wonderful and great in defending their arguments.. welcome to the group
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